Interesting read about two Big East schools talking about trying to form a basketball only super conference.

http://collegesportsinfo.com/2011/12/22/basketball-only-super-conference/

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thats gotta be the wave of the future, especially for the mid programs that take hoops seriously. sick of the college being dragged down by the likes of the socon mess, in hoops only btw.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think were moving to this conference should it happen (as Jupiter pointed out we would have to start laying out a lot more money just to be able to compete in the A-10 let alone a B-Ball centered major). But I did find it interesting for another reason.

That reason is the teams named in the commentary: six possible A-10 teams, 2 possible CAA teams, and an MVC team. The link is to some guys commentary on the original article so it's not like they names came from insider knowledge (take for example Charlotte, they are one of the teams mentioned as a target for the league and from what I understand they are thinking about adding football so I don't know about them). But surely the move would open some holes in the A-10 and subsequently the CAA. Take the A-10 right out of the equation for us. But even if only A-10 teams moved to this conference (and no CAA teams) I see teams like VCU and ODU moving from the CAA to the A-10. So it seems that if this move took place, it would have to open some space in the CAA. If that is the case, then do you think the cougs would jump over to the CAA now if given the chance? Depending on the scenario, it could be possible for both Davy and CofC to jump. Do you think that it would interest the admin more if that were the case?

I still think it was a bad move that they didn't move previously. I know that it is a bad move for a lot of the other sports, but should the admin not let B-Ball dictate moves much like other schools allow football to do? I mean if it is going to be the premier sport, they should do what they can to advance it and staying in the SoCon is not the direction.

Honestly, had the previous admin already been replaced, I think it would have definitely happened when we were considered for the CAA the last two times. I only say that because there were a lot of people at the time that we moved to Div-I thought going D-I was a really big mistake. Had they had their way, we would still be in the NAIA or at most a Div-II or Div-III school.

It really kills me that the CAA was told no thanks not once but twice. Hopefully we get a third chance and the third time is the charm.

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i dunno if even any of the current confs are meant for us. my question/gripe, which nobody has been able to answer, is why are we in one conf for all sports? we don't have a tv/espn $ package which holds all that together for the bcs schools. so lets get with all the many like minded southeastern hoop schools who are doing the same old thing thats not working & come up with a regional basketball minded conf. that wants to put 4+ teams in the ncaa & nit on an annual basis. i really don't get the stooopidity & why we keep shooting ourselves in the foot every year with our premier sport.
soccer & baseball can stay socon & all our sports are free to find the best deal....someone explain why this is not done currently.
why are we being held hostage by a crapaz div2 fball conf that nobody watches or cares about???

I've been saying for years to move to the Colonial. I'd be fine with them for all sports since there's not a sailing or equistrian first conference.

btw, this s/b our boards new goal, just like this board led the way to get rid of my avatar. it never would have happened w/o egos forum.
we need some common sense & leadership to get us out of this f'd up loser bball conf.
2357, vb, gofer, etc. we're calling you out to get the ball rolling.

doesn't Jupiter have the ear of the AD?

ya, lets go jooopy, step it up

This has all been discussed in the past and this is just a NUmb pipe dream but i would like to see a new conference formed.

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Belmont----------46
CofC-------------78
Dav--------------79
Mercer-----------83
UNCA------------122
ETST------------168
USCupst---------179
UNCW-----------183
Jax--------------273
UNCG------------328

That is 10 teams within an easy drive that have little to no emphasis on Football. Would be a good baseball conference also. If that conference were real today would probably rate no worse than 15 as a conference. Yes a pipe dream because we all know unless some millionaire steps in to make it happen it will not as it costs a small fortune to start a new conference. One can dream though

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We all want out of the SoCon. But to be fair, Swamp, your dream conference sucks out loud.

I would prefer the traditional "re-alignment" route that has the Big East poaching A-10/Colonial and us getting pegged with Davy as the two newest Colonial teams.

Instant upgrade, no new conference required.

If there were going to be a new basketball only conference (to improve our RPI, mind you) I would hope we would leave crappy schools like UNC-G behind...


Dream conference would have some combination of:
Davy, CofC (and for the love of God no one else from the SOCON), Charlotte, Wilmington, ODU, VCU, Mason, Richmond, one A-sun team (Belmont looking good last couple of years, ETSU?) and a Big south team (Asheville?, Winthrop?, trying to think which one would be best long-term pick up) and you've got the makings of a darn solid conference right there.

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We all want out of the SoCon. But to be fair, Swamp, your dream conference sucks out loud.

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Mine may suck but you are crazy if you think the football schools you included would even think of going to a non football conference. Even crazier if you think Charloote would even consider moving lower than conference USA. The schools I named would be a hell of a lot better basketball conference than the SoCon and none that I know of are big on football.We all know none of this will never happen anyway but I was only putting in non football schools into the equation. I am sure everyone who posts here could put in a list of schools better than those I named but we would still be fighting football as the ruling factor of conference decisions.

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Put the drink down, Swamp. Agreed on Charlotte, they were a bit of a reach. And ODU has football so, meh. However, VCU, GMU, etc. are NOT football schools. They have club football, which might as well be ultimate frisbee (and I am talking current programs not "well, they might start one in a couple decades...). Hell, I think even davidson has some strange iteration of football too, but I doubt it would preclude them from joining our basketball only conference.

Most of the others on that list would make for a solid regional foundation of a basketball conference. UNC-G??? We want to INCREASE our RPI, not continue to be dragged down by letting the crap of the SoCon ride our coat tails into wherever we wind up...

And USC Upstate? They have athletics?

Who the hell is Jacksonville?


The point is there are many excellent basketball playing schools in our region that go well beyond your list. Its all fool's gold anyway. There will be no basketball mega-mid-major power conference. It will be traditional re-alignment and we are (yet again) likely to be among the top candidates when the CAA comes calling. We better not F it up this time.

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Much more realistic to move into CAA than start a new conference.

BTW- didn't Jax under Joe Williams make an NCAA run in the 70's? They had a big guy- Artis Gilmore?

Citadel, Wofford, Furman, Davidson are our most natural rivalries. Georgia Southern and the Remaining NC schools are all within a 5 hour radius.

The Southern Conference is a natural fit for us.

I and many others like our association with the SOCON and wish for it to continue.

We do need to take steps to make the conference stronger but, it can be done!

Completely disagree that the SoCon is where we should be... Get out now! Who gives a damn about our rivalry with El Cid, etc...

"it can be done"

It won't change.

Who makes this call? Joe Hall, Bobby Cremins, George Benson?
To compare the basketball status of the SoCon to horse manure is to denigrate the fine qualities of horse manure.
I'd really like for the CAA to step up with another invite and for us to accept, thank you very much.

2011-2012 Conference RPI by Non-Conference

The NCAA calculates conference rankings both with and without conference games. I think a conference game is like a "team" playing itself, so I prefer the non-conference version. To see rankings sorted by Overall RPI, click on the "Overall" heading. To see rankings sorted by non-conference RPI, click on the "Non-Conference" heading.
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Non-Conference Overall
Rank Conference W L Pct RPI SOS RPI
1 Big Ten 121 28 0.8121 0.5818 0.5050 0.5818
2 ACC 98 44 0.6901 0.5662 0.5249 0.5662
3 Big 12 86 24 0.7818 0.5661 0.4942 0.5661
4 Big East 149 43 0.7760 0.5630 0.4920 0.5630
5 SEC 100 40 0.7143 0.5622 0.5116 0.5622
6 Mountain West 68 23 0.7473 0.5603 0.4980 0.5603
7 Atlantic 10 98 64 0.6049 0.5475 0.5284 0.5475
8 Missouri Valley 67 38 0.6381 0.5372 0.5035 0.5372
9 Pac 12 83 57 0.5929 0.5194 0.4949 0.5194
10 Conference USA 72 51 0.5854 0.5189 0.4968 0.5189
11 West Coast 54 43 0.5567 0.5145 0.5004 0.5145
12 Horizon 43 51 0.4574 0.5105 0.5282 0.5056
13 Summit 44 42 0.5116 0.5025 0.4994 0.4979
14 Mid-American 60 65 0.4800 0.4898 0.4930 0.4898
15 Metro Atlantic 43 56 0.4343 0.4867 0.5042 0.4833
16 Sun Belt 58 80 0.4203 0.4854 0.5071 0.4854
17 Ivy 42 44 0.4884 0.4837 0.4821 0.4837
18 Atlantic Sun 36 58 0.3830 0.4833 0.5167 0.4760
19 WAC 48 45 0.5161 0.4759 0.4625 0.4759
20 Southern 32 63 0.3368 0.4744 0.5203 0.4634
21 Big West 28 57 0.3294 0.4717 0.5192 0.4717
22 Patriot 43 50 0.4624 0.4714 0.4744 0.4714
23 Colonial 55 65 0.4583 0.4687 0.4722 0.4696
24 Ohio Valley 40 69 0.3670 0.4668 0.5001 0.4655
25 Big South 28 61 0.3146 0.4652 0.5154 0.4550
26 Big Sky 30 56 0.3488 0.4612 0.4987 0.4612
27 Northeast 41 76 0.3504 0.4538 0.4883 0.4484
28 Southland 37 75 0.3304 0.4502 0.4902 0.4502
29 Mid-Eastern 27 95 0.2213 0.4477 0.5232 0.4418
30 SWAC 7 87 0.0745 0.4317 0.5507 0.4317
31 America East 28 66 0.2979 0.4305 0.4747 0.4305
32 Great West 13 51 0.2031 0.4233 0.4967 0.4233
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The last conference we left for a "better" conference is 2 spots above us in the Conf RPI by OOC. They are 8 spots above us in the Conf RPI by overall.

If they can improve to that degree, so can the SOCON!

Agree with ya. Rhett.
Anyone notice where the all-wonderful CAA is? Looks to me they are 3 spots worse.

It is great to dream and trust me I would love to be in the CAA but people this argument has been beaten to death as no way sports like volleyball can afford the travel involved in the CAA. All of our sports can take buses to any school in the SoCon but would have to fly in the CAA. Unless everyone is prepared to up their donations by a lot, this is not going to happen. I do agree with the poster that with the track record of the SoCon and its bush league front office, I do not see upgrades coming anytime soon as we are on our own so we just need to win it. On another note, I will be in Philadelphia for a month or two for job training so am planning on going to some Drexel games so will be scouting the CAA for us. I hear Drexel plays in a gym like our old arena.

gofer, you hit it on the head. A move to the Colonial would up your giving levels an additional 15-20% (IMO). So, if for some reason we move, be prepared to put your $$$$$ where your mouth is. Numb, you may have to give up the booze for a year or so.

Take in some basketball history and go to the Palestra.

oh ye of little faith, realignment is coming & there is nothing you naysayers can do about it. the college will be in multi conferences to suit its own needs in the near future. the old way of doing business for schools like ours is on its way out.
we will be seeing tightened sports budgets for those nonmoneymaking sports & you will see admin costs like the ridiculous useless socon expense re-examined & handled inhouse by member school a/d's. take advantage of your money sports & be more efficient with your nonmoneys is the wave of the future.....its coming, trust me.

hey rett, what would your feelings be if davidson left this crapconference & we were left holding the conference nutsack?....i imagine the same feelings davidson would have if we left first. this sh1tstain of a conference is nothing w/o either school....."but the travels convienient" is small taters way of approaching our premier sport. we need to grow up & quit hoping our little retarded 2nd rate football sisters will suddenly take an interest in hoops. we watched the socon sh1t the bed for over a decade now, times up.